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  • #31
    Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

    Scott Howard-Cooper‏Verified account @SHowardCooper Jul 8
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    Rookie Ladder:
    1 Tatum
    2 Adebayo
    3 Kennard
    4 Fultz
    5 Mitchell
    6 Johnson
    7 Leaf
    8 Isaac
    9 Bacon
    10 Nader

    And I think he put up better numbers than Tatum and Fultz, but even if he ends up being a top 5 guy from this years draft 3-5 years from now - we have reason to be ecstatic!

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    • #32
      Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

      Originally posted by joncolton View Post

      Say what you want about it being summer league, and not counting, but Lonzo Ball, Tatum and Fultz didn't get no 37 and 8. Looked like the other best players in SL were Josh Jackson (way to go Phoenix!) Montrezl Harrell (oh my gosh, are the Clippers my new second favorite team!?).
      Hate to agree, but with CP3 gone, they are more likeable.

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      • #33
        Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

        Originally posted by joncolton View Post
        And I think he put up better numbers than Tatum and Fultz, but even if he ends up being a top 5 guy from this years draft 3-5 years from now - we have reason to be ecstatic!
        I think four casinos reported bags of cash stolen yesterday. They found them in Mitchell's hotel room stashed under the bed along with my pessimism.
        How do you score under 35 in a half? Utah's tank is too strong -Raptors fan

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        • #34
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          Originally posted by Hucharra View Post
          My condolences to all of you "it's just summer league" hedgers. I'm going to go ahead and crash/burn on the hype train.
          The hype train will only break your heart. ;)

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          • #35
            Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

            Originally posted by Purple2Blue View Post
            Hate to agree, but with CP3 gone, they are more likeable.
            Likeable? Yeah well I had huge hopes for us getting Gallinari & Milos - but at least I get to watch them play together with Gobert-Lite.

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            • #36
              Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

              5. Sacramento Kings: Donovan Mitchell

              Tjarks: Mitchell has been awesome. He’s just faster than everyone else at summer league. I like Wade Baldwin IV, but it was sad watching him try to stay with Mitchell. Donovan makes NBA guards look like they are playing in mud. If the jumper is legit, and it certainly seems to be, he’s going to be a big-time scoring guard who can also defend. I’m thinking a more explosive Avery Bradley. It will be interesting to see what happens in Utah, since Mitchell and Ricky Rubio are both better in an up-tempo system.

              O’Connor: Mitchell is purely awesome. I regret not ranking him higher than no. 10.
              https://theringer.com/2017-nba-redra...e-7a865d2ef9f1

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              • #37
                Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

                Jazz have said in the past that they would structure the offense/defense depending on the personnel so I certainly hope to see more up tempo this year. Maybe Haywood was just not suited to that style. 😜
                "He is the best point guard of all-time"

                - Steve Nash, referring to John Stockton

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                • #38
                  Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

                  Originally posted by LenkoNuffSaid View Post
                  Jazz have said in the past that they would structure the offense/defense depending on the personnel so I certainly hope to see more up tempo this year. Maybe Haywood was just not suited to that style. ��
                  Pace of play is something I have been wondering about. I am hoping for more uptempo, but still think a slower tempo fits better for some of the main players on our team.

                  This probably doesn't belong in the Mitchell thread, but which pace of play do you think will give us the best chance to win?

                  One of the pitches the Celtics made to Hayward is faster play to where they think he can average in the high 20s in scoring. I get the sense that Hayward wanted to play at a faster pace. I then hear Gobert say he thinks the Jazz will be more uptempo this next year.

                  Just out of fun and it also being lunch time, here is a list of our current players. I added at what type of play I think fits best for them (feel free to disagree). There are many where I just don't know and so I guessed with ??? behind the guess. The players that I am not very familiar with, I just put ???

                  Rubio - fast
                  Exum - fast
                  Neto - slow???
                  Hood - fast???
                  Mitchell - fast
                  Burks - fast (he could flourish in a faster system)
                  Ingles - slow
                  Sefolosha - ???
                  O' Neale - ???
                  Favors - fast???
                  Johnson - slow
                  Jerebko - ???
                  Gobert - Slow???
                  Udoh - ???
                  Bradley - slow

                  I could be wrong on many of these.

                  So, at least out of the ones I could put a guess on, it is close to 50/50. Probably the correct answer is the Jazz will play at a pace that fits Gobert best as the Jazz are building around him. What is exciting to me is I think we have the personnel to mix it up.

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                  • #39
                    Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

                    Gobert would often block or rebound and then be one of the first down the court. I place a lot of the blame for pace on the PG's. Of course, once the Jazz get in their half-court offense, Quin's schemes are painfully slow. Drives me crazy that Rudy always has to come out, take the pass and then toss it back. What's the purpose of that other than to deliberately waste time?

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                    • #40
                      Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

                      As for Hayward, by default he gets EC all-star votes. But after the way he left Utah, will he be a serious all-NBA candidate? He's still competing against all other forwards, regardless of conference. And now there's likely some bias against him.

                      Regardless of better stats due to pace:
                      Definite all-NBA forwards: Kawhi, Durant, LeBron, Green
                      So two spots left for the likes of George, Hayward, etc. Last year, I believe Giannis and Butler were the other two to make it as forwards. In this era of positionless basketball, it's tough to be classify some players. Is a better system, PG's, wings and bigs?
                      Last edited by TheAntiFan; 07-18-2017, 12:04 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

                        Getting back to pace...
                        Jazz have PG's built for speed. How can you ask Rubio, Exum and Mitchell walk the ball up? Neto will hardly play, so cross him off. If JJ, Jerebko, Sefolosha or anyone else can't keep up, just sub them out. Utah won't be the Warriors or Rockets, but upgrading the perimeter defense should definitely improve steals and fast breaks. And having fast PG's should hopefully lead to more secondary breaks. Hopefully that offsets when Utah might bog down in their half court offense, where Hayward will really be missed.

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                        • #42
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                          I think it's just wishful thinking if you hope the Jazz will increase their pace. Their free agent signings were all around defense. The Jazz are going to try to dominate and keep the score low, due to their lack of offense. I think they will play even slower than they did before, if that's possible.

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                          • #43
                            Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

                            Originally posted by TheAntiFan View Post
                            Gobert would often block or rebound and then be one of the first down the court. I place a lot of the blame for pace on the PG's.
                            You make a good point. I have to agree, the slow pace was due to the PGs we had. With Rubio and Mitchell now running as PG, that alone seems like it will cause the pace to be picked up. I certainly hope they aren't asked to walk the ball up the court. As I mentioned, I am hoping for more uptempo pace. With the hopes of uptempo and shot making, great passing as well as being a tougher team, this next year could be pretty fun.

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                            • #44
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                              Originally posted by LostInVA View Post
                              I think it's just wishful thinking if you hope the Jazz will increase their pace. Their free agent signings were all around defense. The Jazz are going to try to dominate and keep the score low, due to their lack of offense. I think they will play even slower than they did before, if that's possible.
                              Disagree. Rubio is going to push the pace a lot. He excells in transition. I also think Exum is going to be looking to run a lot more now that he is healthy, and Mitchell doesn't scream "walk the ball up the court". Like, at all. Those guys are going to want to run, and Gobert is going to want to be on the receiving end of alley-oops and transition baskets. Same with Burks, and Sefolosha.

                              Hood, Ingles, and Favors appear to be much more half-court oriented. Jerebko might be in that vein. But most of the Jazz big guns are not defensive plodders.
                              How do you score under 35 in a half? Utah's tank is too strong -Raptors fan

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                              • #45
                                Re: The official Donovan Mitchell thread

                                I'm sure we will run opportunistically. The best time for us to take a shot is in the first 8 seconds of the shot clock or the last 8. I'm sure we will look to maximize both. Though our defense was good last year we had very few steals. I think we ratchet up the pressure this year and will get a number of easy run outs.

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